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		<title>By: Caden&#8217;s Page &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hospital Day 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caden&#8217;s Page &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hospital Day 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] face from time to time.  You can read more about our financial testimony in a post I wrote titled Tithing in A Financial Storm.  To summarize I will steal the words of our pastor, &#8220;if you want God to help you with your [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] face from time to time.  You can read more about our financial testimony in a post I wrote titled Tithing in A Financial Storm.  To summarize I will steal the words of our pastor, &#8220;if you want God to help you with your [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tithing is not a scriptural component of the New Covenant we have with Christ. We are asked to give 100% of ourselves, not 10% of our finances.

However, we are asked to be good stewards of our money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tithing is not a scriptural component of the New Covenant we have with Christ. We are asked to give 100% of ourselves, not 10% of our finances.</p>
<p>However, we are asked to be good stewards of our money.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOzz</title>
		<link>http://www.hoei.com/blog/archives/2008/09/29/440/comment-page-1#comment-58867</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell,

I didn&#039;t follow everything your wrote, but your last statement I am in 100% agreement with.

Cassandra, 

I appreciate the story you shared.  It leads into a post I am wanting to do on why the bailout signed today is bad policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t follow everything your wrote, but your last statement I am in 100% agreement with.</p>
<p>Cassandra, </p>
<p>I appreciate the story you shared.  It leads into a post I am wanting to do on why the bailout signed today is bad policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.hoei.com/blog/archives/2008/09/29/440/comment-page-1#comment-58846</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may like to read my article at http://personalfinancesolution.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/city-bank-stole-from-its-customers/ and give your valuable feedback :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may like to read my article at <a href="http://personalfinancesolution.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/city-bank-stole-from-its-customers/" rel="nofollow">http://personalfinancesolution.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/city-bank-stole-from-its-customers/</a> and give your valuable feedback <img src='http://www.hoei.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Russell Earl Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Earl Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A.  Malachi is Old Covenant and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing (Lev. 27:34; Neh. 10:28-29; Mal. 3:7; 4:4). 

B.  In Malachi 3:10-11 tithes are still only food 1000 years after Leviticus 27:30-34 and Numbers 18:21-28.

C. Malachi’s audience had willingly reaffirmed the Old Covenant (Neh.10:28-29). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law. The rain in Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24 and Leviticus 26:1-4 is only obtained by obedience to all 613 commandments. Galatians 3:10 (quoting Deu 27:26) “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Trying to earn God’s blessings through tithing only brings curses for failure to keep all of the law. See also Galatians 3:19.

D. Beginning in 1:6 “you” in  Malachi always refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (also 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5): “Even this whole nation of you --priests” (3:9). In 1:13-14 the priests had stolen tithed animals vowed to God. In Nehemiah 13:5-10 priests had stolen the Levites’ portion of the tithe. God’s curses on the priests are ignored by most tithe-teachers (1:14; 2:2 and 3:2-4). 

E. Point #12 of the essay. The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3:10. Most tithe-recipients lived outside of Jerusalem.

F. The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3. Normally only 2% of the total Levite and priest work force served at the temple one week at a time. Subtract wives, males under the age of 30 and daughters. Therefore 2% did not require all of the tithe. See 1 Chron 23-26; 28:13, 21; 2 Chron. 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.

G. Nehemiah 10:37-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10, The people were commanded to bring their tithes, not to the temple, but to the nearby Levitical cities. Verse 38 says that the priests were with the Levites in the Levitical cities when they received the tithes.

H. According to Nehemiah 13:5, 9 the “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms. The real “storehouses” were in the Levitical cites per Nehemiah 10:37b-38. Only the Levites and priests normally brought tithes to the Temple (10:38). Two rooms in the Temple were far too small to contain the tithe from the entire nation and 98% of the Levites and priests lived too far away to eat from them.

Therefore, Malachi 3:10’s “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.

While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians.  Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context. 

Christian giving is freewill, sacrificial, generous, joyful, regular and motivated by love. That is enough to provide the needs of the Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.  Malachi is Old Covenant and is never quoted in the New Covenant to validate tithing (Lev. 27:34; Neh. 10:28-29; Mal. 3:7; 4:4). </p>
<p>B.  In Malachi 3:10-11 tithes are still only food 1000 years after Leviticus 27:30-34 and Numbers 18:21-28.</p>
<p>C. Malachi’s audience had willingly reaffirmed the Old Covenant (Neh.10:28-29). The blessings and curses of tithing are identical to and inseparable from those of the entire Mosaic Law. The rain in Deuteronomy 28:12, 23-24 and Leviticus 26:1-4 is only obtained by obedience to all 613 commandments. Galatians 3:10 (quoting Deu 27:26) “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.” Trying to earn God’s blessings through tithing only brings curses for failure to keep all of the law. See also Galatians 3:19.</p>
<p>D. Beginning in 1:6 “you” in  Malachi always refers to the dishonest priests and not the people (also 2:1-10; 2:13 to 3:1-5): “Even this whole nation of you &#8211;priests” (3:9). In 1:13-14 the priests had stolen tithed animals vowed to God. In Nehemiah 13:5-10 priests had stolen the Levites’ portion of the tithe. God’s curses on the priests are ignored by most tithe-teachers (1:14; 2:2 and 3:2-4). </p>
<p>E. Point #12 of the essay. The Levitical cities must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3:10. Most tithe-recipients lived outside of Jerusalem.</p>
<p>F. The 24 courses of Levites and priests must be included in a correct interpretation of Malachi 3. Normally only 2% of the total Levite and priest work force served at the temple one week at a time. Subtract wives, males under the age of 30 and daughters. Therefore 2% did not require all of the tithe. See 1 Chron 23-26; 28:13, 21; 2 Chron. 8:14; 23:8; 31:2, 15-19; 35:4, 5, 10; Ezra 6:18; Neh. 11:19, 30; 12:24; 13:9, 10; Luke 1:5.</p>
<p>G. Nehemiah 10:37-39 is the key to understanding Malachi 3:10, The people were commanded to bring their tithes, not to the temple, but to the nearby Levitical cities. Verse 38 says that the priests were with the Levites in the Levitical cities when they received the tithes.</p>
<p>H. According to Nehemiah 13:5, 9 the “storehouse” in the Temple was only several rooms. The real “storehouses” were in the Levitical cites per Nehemiah 10:37b-38. Only the Levites and priests normally brought tithes to the Temple (10:38). Two rooms in the Temple were far too small to contain the tithe from the entire nation and 98% of the Levites and priests lived too far away to eat from them.</p>
<p>Therefore, Malachi 3:10’s “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” only makes contextual sense if it is only commanding dishonest priests to replace the tithes they had removed from it or had failed to bring to it.</p>
<p>While the 3:10 of the Law in Malachi is so important to tithe-teachers they ignore the 3:10 of the Gospel in Galatians and 2nd Corinthians.  Perhaps those wanting to enforce the 3:10 Law of Malachi should also enforce the 3:10 Law of Numbers. They share the same context. </p>
<p>Christian giving is freewill, sacrificial, generous, joyful, regular and motivated by love. That is enough to provide the needs of the Church.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim and Russell,

Thanks for your comments.  I knew there were some strong opinions out there and it looks like a few came out in your comments and links.  

I tried not to say either way whether tithing is required by Christians.  I could argue the point either way in a debate.  Of course I do fall on the pro-tithing side of the debate when the day is done and I thoroughly enjoy it.  What I believe is that tithing out of obligation is a bad thing.  

Cassandra,

Yes...a wee bit long.  Sorry about that.  My take on tithing is not exactly what you will here in many churches as you will see from many other folks on the Internet.  Thanks for the well wishes for our little Caden.  He is an awesome kid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim and Russell,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.  I knew there were some strong opinions out there and it looks like a few came out in your comments and links.  </p>
<p>I tried not to say either way whether tithing is required by Christians.  I could argue the point either way in a debate.  Of course I do fall on the pro-tithing side of the debate when the day is done and I thoroughly enjoy it.  What I believe is that tithing out of obligation is a bad thing.  </p>
<p>Cassandra,</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;a wee bit long.  Sorry about that.  My take on tithing is not exactly what you will here in many churches as you will see from many other folks on the Internet.  Thanks for the well wishes for our little Caden.  He is an awesome kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.hoei.com/blog/archives/2008/09/29/440/comment-page-1#comment-58773</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a big post!! :D
But it really contains hell lot of information.
Before reading this article, I hardly knew about Tithing.
Good post.
And may God bless you all and specially Caden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a big post!! <img src='http://www.hoei.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
But it really contains hell lot of information.<br />
Before reading this article, I hardly knew about Tithing.<br />
Good post.<br />
And may God bless you all and specially Caden.</p>
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